Assault in Central Park
I just came across this news item and was immediately reminded of the Central Park jogger assault that took place years ago. This new incident took place in my neck of the woods an area which is considered by most to be extremely safe populated as it is with tony buildings which have round the clock doormen. Just goes to show its not as safe and secure as it is made out to be..
http://dnainfo.com/20100607/manhattan/woman-reportedly-pulled-into-central-park-sexually-assaulted-by-three-men
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http://dnainfo.com/20100607/manhattan/woman-reportedly-pulled-into-central-park-sexually-assaulted-by-three-men
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hhusted
2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: I read somewhere that crime is on the increase in many areas of the city, not just one or two places. I'll bet the high cost of living and the weakened economy here in the city has put so much pressure on people that they just snap. They commit crimes just to get what they need for their families.
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
This one didn't exactly sound like anyone was trying to provide for his family, sorry.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: I did not mean this one incident was geared in that way. I mean that overall, those who commit crimes do it for various reasons, including feeding their families.
As for this incident, it appears the woman was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Plus she was intoxicated. Although the area she was in had been rather quiet. But no one in their right mind would be out that late at night. It appears she was a victim of circumstances. No matter what the reason for being there, the bottom line is it is tragic what happened. I hope the men who did it get caught to prevent them from repeating the offense on someone else.
As for this incident, it appears the woman was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Plus she was intoxicated. Although the area she was in had been rather quiet. But no one in their right mind would be out that late at night. It appears she was a victim of circumstances. No matter what the reason for being there, the bottom line is it is tragic what happened. I hope the men who did it get caught to prevent them from repeating the offense on someone else.
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hhusted
2yrs+
By the way, I just read that the victim is now being declared a suspect because she changed her story to the police.
http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/top_stories/120196/alleged-central-park-victim-now-a-suspect
http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/top_stories/120196/alleged-central-park-victim-now-a-suspect
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
They don't give enough information to understand what did happen. Was she raped or not, and why would she lie?
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Freyja4
2yrs+
I hate it when women lie about that stuff. It gives the rest of us a bad name. I saw on TV once this teen that claimed she had been raped at a party she was invited to. What I found odd was her claim didn't measure up to the evidence that was put against her. Video clips of herself being rather "close" to the suspects and doing whatnot. Her friends even thought she was lying. Plus, she didn't make the claim believable. I think she must have done it beucase one of the suspects dad was a city official. Very highly respected. When I saw the boys video on what he saidhappened, I don't know, there was just something about it that I believed. And I hve known wmen who really were raped. One, it took her years to say something. The first person she really told was me. Sorry, it's one of those subjects for me. Though I do agree that there are places you shouldn't be at certain hours. Especially in the area these lady was in.
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ajadedidealist
2yrs+
Oftentimes it can be really ambiguous - so that a woman might not even "know" if she's rape.
Example - a girl gets really drunk at a party and sleeps with a stranger. Is she raped? What if the stranger was completely sober? What if he was just as drunk or drunker than she was? What if she got roofied by a third party and the stranger wasn't aware of this and thought she was interested in him? "Rape" isn't black and white, and the definitions are vague (indeed, for centuries, "spousal rape" wasn't considered rape. Not to say it isn't - I of course believe it is - but to show how ideas of what is/is not rape are constantly in flux)
Example - a girl gets really drunk at a party and sleeps with a stranger. Is she raped? What if the stranger was completely sober? What if he was just as drunk or drunker than she was? What if she got roofied by a third party and the stranger wasn't aware of this and thought she was interested in him? "Rape" isn't black and white, and the definitions are vague (indeed, for centuries, "spousal rape" wasn't considered rape. Not to say it isn't - I of course believe it is - but to show how ideas of what is/is not rape are constantly in flux)
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JenMac
2yrs+
I'm with ajadedidealist on this one.
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Freyja4
2yrs+
I can understand that part of the subject. And I agree as well. For me, what makes an issue of debate, is one of personal experience. It has to do with spousal rape. This is deeply personal, and hard for me to talk about. My ex husband wanted sex pretty much every day. I lost interest once he began forcing the matter and he would even verbally abuse me for objecting. This was one of many things on my list of reasons to leave him. I wouldn't always have called it rape because I'd comply just to have him stop calling me names. Also, my current husbandwas accused of this with his ex girlfriend (mother of two of his kids). Problem ws, I had evidence to support the fact that he hadn't committed the crime. For one, I had dated picture evidence of im being at my apartment the night and time that it happened. Te judge through out the case when it was presented. Instead he opted for restraining order on both parties for one year. The only part that left my husband unhappy was that he couldn't see his other kids.
But as I said. I do understand that part of the subject @jaded. I have no arguements there.
But as I said. I do understand that part of the subject @jaded. I have no arguements there.
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
Did you guys read this in the Village Voice?
http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-06-08/news/nypd-tapes-3-detective-comes-forward-downgrading-rape/
http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-06-08/news/nypd-tapes-3-detective-comes-forward-downgrading-rape/
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@NeverSleeps Just read it shocking isn't it?
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DBlack
2yrs+
@NeverSleeps Awful article, it makes me angry to know the system can get so corrupt as to not even be helpful or doing the job it's in place to do. I bet that detective didn't make any friends in his own department.
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
It made me think about how New York is supposedly pretty safe for a big city. Or is it...?
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
@DBlack I think that guy is retired now...
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JenMac
2yrs+
That is crazy! There are an extra six women in that case alone who could have never had to go through what they went through.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: First of all she was drunk. Second, perhaps one of the guys had threatened her if she said anything. So she kept quiet until later.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@NeverSleeps: Stats claim NYC is safe, but I read somewhere else that crime in NYC is on the increase. And if cops are going to be corrupt like that article in the Village Voice stated, we will need all the help we can get. Some towns have a neighborhood crime watch. A few people get together and for a couple of hours a night, they go through certain neighborhoods and keep watch, so that nothing happens.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@hhusted we have a neighborhood watch team in the neighborhood in London where my mother in law resides though I can hardly see such an association being formed in the neighborhood where I live..folks seem to largely depend on their doormen and the installed security equipment to ensure a safe environment.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: That's not enough. Doormen can only do so much. There needs to be a team of people, literally walking the beat. Going down streets. Looking around. Having walkies talkies in their hands, along with cell phones. This way, if someone should see something, they radio for help and then call 911 for assistance.
I remember this happened in a couple of towns near me back in the '70s. This was shortly after the race riots. People were walking down the streets with flashlights. It is because of the neighborhood town watch that the area where I lived then, and the areas outside of the town I lived in were kept safe.
I remember this happened in a couple of towns near me back in the '70s. This was shortly after the race riots. People were walking down the streets with flashlights. It is because of the neighborhood town watch that the area where I lived then, and the areas outside of the town I lived in were kept safe.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@hhusted I really cant see that happening in Manhattan somehow, everybody is too busy and self-involved with their own lives.. can I really imagine some of the chi-chi folks who live on Park Avenue and its whereabouts to form a neighborhood watch committee? not happening any time soon..NYC is too vast and too diverse.
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
@uptowngirl And too anonymous. People don't really get involved in each other's business...
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ajadedidealist
2yrs+
Still, all things considered, I feel "safe" in NYC - although my fear of terrorism can be an irrational block to otherwise happy living!
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
@Uraniumfish @uptowngirl Right... we all remember that poor guy who was stabbed to death saving some woman, and just how many people cared to call 911.
@everyone And I am with ajadedidealist - I feel safe, except for the occasional thoughts of bombs and whatnot.
@everyone And I am with ajadedidealist - I feel safe, except for the occasional thoughts of bombs and whatnot.
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