Queens resident fired by Citibank for being too curvaceous

yeah, that's pretty weirdly discriminatory, especially if she covered herself and didn't reveal inappropriate amounts of skin. In this particular case, I say sue those jerks, they're obviously the problem, and not her.

Man, I'd hate to be one of the other female employees, whose "general unattractiveness" made what they wore immaterial. How much more blatantly discriminatory can you get? And at a CitiBank? What were they thinking...?

Also, may I point out that one teller at the bank I frequent is hideaously, and I mean hideously ugly: mustache, hair coming out in clumps from her head, strange pimply disease-looking things on her face. It just doesn't get worse, and I always stare a little in fascinated horror. But even she didn't get fired, they stuck by her.

I just bet this girl got fired because she rejected the advances of the wrong boss dude. Yuck.

I wonder how much money she will win when she sues.

@BroadwayBK She is extremely attractive for sure ..though I can't believe that Citibank would be so blatant in its discrimination..maybe she was also resented by some female boss.. its been known to happen ..

@uptowngirl It seems like they seriously underestimated her, in any case.

I find it all amusing and if she really did get harassed (and it seems like you could believe her on this one) then she should get them for all the money she can. @BroadwayBK I agree that they probably really underestimated her to be sure.

If she was really harassed, then I hope she does clean them out: but, does anyone else find that, at least in the slideshow, she's definitely making the most out of her assets? It's kind of hard to take someone seriously in a money handling sort of way (or any way, for that matter) when they basically wear hand towels for dresses . . .

@JenMac Yes! She appears to have quite the ego among all those assets.

@JenMac, BroadwayBK unfortunately most extremely good looking people tend to consider themselves gods gift to mankind..

She does indeed like her handtowels for dresses but that is besides the point since she wore said handtowels in her free time. There's nothing wrong with the business attire she's wearing and yeah, she's curvaceous in a suit too, but why does a woman's body have to be such a friggin provocation that her coworkers supposedly can't concentrate on their work? I probably wouldn't like her as a person but I'm still on her side as far as insisting on discrimination on this one.

I don't know - I think she should dress appropriately for the work-place. And the fact that she has large - shall we say - assets should affect her dress choices in the workplace - what is appropriate for a flat-chested matron may not be appropriate for her. It seems like she's just using this to get her fifteen minutes

@ajadedidealist What would you say if your employer complained about your "turtlenecks, pencil skirts, form-fitting suits and high heels"? Isn't that what women in the city generally wear to their corporate places of business?

It's a tricky situation. On the one hand, yes, her work attire is totally appropriate and she can't help what her appearance is. However, the pics of her on her free time do tend to indicate that she plays up her sexuality -- which I don't know is necessarily automatically shut off in the workplace. I don't have one picture (let alone several) of me by myself enjoying some quality time with my shirt of a dress . . . .just seems a little suspicious to me . . .

interesting...need more pics when she's working, the one pic she had in the office is ok...probably there's more to it than just the outfit

@Everyone Just came across this piece in the Village Voice
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/06/hot_banker_debr.php
Looks like she is making the maximum use of her ten minutes in the spotlight. BroadwayBK was right Citibank sure underestimated her.

@uptowngirl The comment at the bottom of the article is interesting, arguing that she wanted to be noticed for her...assets, since she had them cosmetically enhanced. Obviously true, but in a legal and technical sense, she may still have been discriminated against. Because a less attractive woman doing the same thing may not have been fired over it but she was. Of course, the thing about her being a harassment activist just makes her seem ridiculous.

@DBlack yeah, she suddenly lost all my sympathy..she now comes across as manipulative and conniving... a complete fake.

I wouldn't be surprised if she uses this as a jumping off point for her new modeling career.

@neversleeps: totally! I bet she does . . .

@Uptowngirl, @NeverSleeps, and @JenMac: That is why I am not shedding any tears over her. That is a pun by the way. If she is a player, it will come out in the wash. My mother used to have an old saying that when I was a boy and made mistakes, she always would tell me to speak the truth. The reason is because whatever I said or did would eventually be exposed.

I'm confused about the pun . . .

I'm not seeing any puns either.

@Neversleeps - it depends on WHAT SIZE turtlenecks, etc. I happen to be on the bustier side, and as a result I have to take care to buy larger sizes in things that are measured around the bosom - I might want to wear something tight for a night on the town, but that's different. I'm a jeans size 00/dress size 0, but there is no way in HECK i'm getting an "XS"/"O" top or dress to something professional. Ditto, if my skirts were tight around the rear, or my heels were pared with a short skirt. It's like saying "all men wear pants and shirts and ties," but there's a different between a tailored suit and a rumpled pair of torn trousers and a grungy shirt.

@ajadedidealist I can relate, being generously endowed myself I tend to play down my assets but have noticed that there are many women who follow the policy if you've got it,flaunt it though in the banking world you are never taken seriously if you dont look the part i.e.conservative.

@JenMac and @Uraniumfish: When I said I was not shedding any tears over the woman, I was meaning that I was not crying over her, or taking her side. I guess the use of the word "pun" was out of place there. Sorry.

Has anyone here ever watch "Drop Dead Diva"? That show is all about looks and appearances. I feel sorry for this woman. I definitely agree that she got fired for not taking a bosses sexual advances. I was shocked to hear about it.

It's nuts to think that it would happen considering that at my husbands former work, a former firend of his had zits all over her face and some seemed to have dried bloodon them. Her boss said that if she didn't make and effort to rid of the zits and where makeup so that the customers didn't complain, she'd be fred. It really does kind of bug you when you order food from someone who looks like that. In the end she did get fired. Now, from what I hear, she lives in Utah with a bunch of drugees and doesn't work.

@hhusted: Yeah, she did have a tough life but her mom, whom I'm still frends with, says that her daughter coud have made her life better and that she shouldn't have let her past get to her. Her mom reallyworked things out for herself and has a higher education and a better job. Herdaughter always had something bad to say about her mom. While her mom is not saint and has said things aout my parents that I resent, I do see her moms view. It was the dad that kind of messed things up. I don't know him. Jenette (that girl with the zits) isn't really someone you want to know. Shews very mean to her husband. I love her hsuband like a brother. He did everything for her and she cheated him an dd him wrong on many accounts. I'm glad they broke up. He is doing so much better as a single father. I help babysit his son.

@Freyja4: Some people are just bad seed. They are born that way. Scientific research shows that people born with abnormalities of the brain, turn out to be bad in some way. I studied psychiatry for a number of years so I can get my license to be a therapist and counselor. I have learned quite a bit about human behavior. It is quite interesting when studying it.

@hhusted Whaaaaa...?

hhusted: what, exactly, are abnormalities of the brain?

That sounds like slightly suspicious Victorian phrenology to me, @hhusted - not going to lie. Maybe I'm optimistic, but while there are some sociopaths out there I don't think we can really "pin down" the cause - and nurture has a much bigger role than nature

Yeah, I'm with ajadedidalist... sociopaths are a rare bird, thank goodness.

Yeah, and I wouldn't presume to be the one who can identify sociopaths without having some heavy medical schooling behind me.

Not to sound like Tom Cruise or anything, but a lot of psychiatry is guess work. It's not what I would call a perfected science, and so Uraniumfish is right. These things are best left to the field's experts. "Sociopath," by the way, is one of my favorite insults. Every selfish jerk I have ever known is a sociopath!

@Everybody: When I stated there are abnormalities in the brain, what I was referring to is a chemical imbalance. You see, the brain has neurotransmitters that send signals from one stem to another. This is how thought is established. This is also how our bodies are controlled. Well, what happens in people who are classified bad (e.g. serial killers), the neurotransmitters either misfire or are blocked altogether. When this happens, it causes a personality shift. These blocks or misfires have been known to occur at any time of a person's life and can often be repeated. As such, the person inhibits unusual behavior at erratic times.

What I described above does not in any way interfere with the person's ability to learn. This is why many people with brain malfunction (this is a term used by a psychiatrist friend of mine), have high IQs.

I actually wrote a book about this.

@BroadwayBK: You may think psychiatry is guess work. Perhaps some of it is. But in reality, it takes years of study and research into the human mind to really understand how it functions. I do not profess to be an expert, I just know from taking courses in human behavior, psychiatry, clinical psychiatry, and anatomy, how the body and brain functions. I am also a deep reader of Deepak Chopra's and Dr. Wayne Dyer's work.

@hhusted I thought Deepak Chopra was into philosophy and holistic healing not that I have read any of his books..though I know he has a son who changed his name to Gotham(!!) who writes quite a funny blog on intent.com-
http://www.intent.com/gothamchopra/profile

@JenMacTed Bundy and Jack Nicholson .. wow.. I love Jack Nicholson who appears to be crazy but thank god he is no serial killer..I think more than nature its a case of nuture that gives rise to a serial killer...

I love Deepak Chopra!! I have a few of his bokok. Well, my ex is holding them ransom. I want them back. He was in that movie "The Love Guru" at the end. Not my type of movie, really. Mike Meyers can overdo it sometimes. Oh @hhusted sorry I haven't contacted you. Been a hectic week.

Speaking of good ol' Jack, I found some qoutes by that guy the other day. He seems a bit self centered and has some vanity. Still, there was this one line that made me laugh, "With my glasses on I'm Jack Nicholson. with out them I'm fat and 60."

As for this serial killer talk, I may not know much about it. Though for some uncanny reason, when I see movies about them, you notice patterns.

Jack and Ted may have had similar upbringings but there has to have been something that set them apart. You know, like that old saying goes, "Six degrees of separation". And I don't mean to refer it to what you do in effect of someone else have a rather odd way of it circling back to you after it's gone through so many others.

@Uptowngirl: Yes, he is. But he also has a great deal of knowledge and experience dealing with the human mind. I listened to one of his lectures on the human mind and it was very fascinating.

@freyja4: I understand. Contact me when you get a chance.

Doing a lot of reading on your own is admirable, hhusted, but unless you have a medical credential it's probably not a good thing to go around making too many declarations about behavioral sciences and people's mental problems. I find it pretty scary that so many people think they can read some stuff off the internet and that's good enough to give them the right to talk like they know something.

I suppose it's a natural result of the "democratization" of information on the internet - there are more experts, but what it means to be an expert is less...perhaps legitimate than it was pre-wikipedia?

Yeah, I actually know someone who refuses to read any nonfiction book because he can just get his fix on Wikipedia. I appreciate the instant information online, but there is something about having to work for it that actually makes it stick better, I think. Like they say that language students who look up words in an actual dictionary remember them better than if they just type them into a translator.

@DBlack: That is because I do know what I'm talking about. I do not just do a lot of reading, I am also a certified counselor. I got my license as a behavior and clinical counselor. So, when I state things, I do it from an educational perspective and experience.

@A "certificate" can mean any number of things. You can get a certificate for watching five hours of videotaped material and calling it "training." I'm guessing you don't actually have an advanced degree at the bachelors level or higher from an accredited university? Even if you do, I still say you don't get the right to call yourself an expert in a subject unless you've really spent a substantial amount of years on it past the graduate level. We're not talking about elevator repair school here, but a complex subject that takes a great many years to even begin to master. I think being humble about what one really knows is in order.

@BroadwayBK Wikipedia's a great thing overall, but too many people don't realize the shallowness of the information that can be found. Real knowledge is a whole lot harder to acquire.

@DBlack: I agree. Sometimes I have to double check my information. I would go to the library more but we have to be careful with our gas consumption. I'd walk, but it's too far and I cant make a 5 years old walk for that distance hile pushing a stroller. Miss the library.

@BroadwayBK - but wikipedia is so much fun! It's easy to browse from article to article at will in a five minute timespan and learn some interesting facts about places, people, what have you. I wouldn't use it for an essay, but for fun its a great resource!

@DBlack: I think you need to be careful with your comments. When you start questioning my education and background you are insulting me. For that you need to stop and apologize.

And I do have the right to call myself an expert, considering I put years, not months, but years of hard work, training, education, and service to get where I am today. I went through extensive testing to become a licensed counselor. I just didn't take a regular text and get interviewed. I had to take many different kinds of test. I had to pass psychology tests. I had to prove I was emotionally capable of handling different types of patients. I was given different scenarios and asked how I would handle them based on several criteria. I was even given a broken down image of the brain with lines pointing to each section, and asked to fill in the blanks. I must have passed all the tests, for two weeks later, I got the call to report and I did. I worked in NJ for a number of years, but when I moved to NY I paid to have my license transferred here.

And I am also a published author of self-help books. Plus, I have ghostwritten a ton of self-help books for many clients.

Now I am on an as-needed basis. I mainly work one-on-one with people who have addictions. I wanted it this way so I could devote much of my time to my writing and screenwriting, which is really my passion. I was asked to go back to school to get my Ph.D but I turned it down. I wanted to focus on my writing and do this for the rest of my life.

@hhusted So then what exactly is the level of your credential? Do you have a graduate degree or what?

BTW, I don't think writing self help books qualifies as a credential. Anybody can write a self help book.

@DBlack - I really hear what you are saying about Wikipedia. It's a great resource if you want to know what city Guns 'n Roses is from, but not so great if you really want to understand anything in detail.

Let's not get into a flame war on the boards! I think it's fair to seek out some background information on where you're getting your information @hhusted (certainly, credentials or other background on you would be helpful, just to help us get a clearer picture). But I hope none of us means to do it in a destructive or inflammatory manner. (inflammatory! Flame war! geddit? Just a little light humor there.)

I'm not saying that Wikipedia is in any way a bad thing, but it's shouldn't be the only place people go for information, ya know?

@BroadwayBk true .. didn't someone prove this recently ? remember this incident
http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/05/wikipedia-hoax-reveals-limits-of-journalists-research.ars

@uptowngirl Right! I agree that Wikipedia should not be used as an academic resource - I wasn't allowed to use it in college, and I think that's where a lot of my reluctance to trust it comes from.

@uptowngirl Great article and definitely gets at my point about getting your info off the internet. It's not just that it might be inaccurate, as in that case, but that it's no substitute for real knowledge even if it is accurate.

@Ajadedidealist: I love your comments. You make me laugh you are so funny sometimes.

@BroadwayBK: When I was in college last year, my professor told me that Wikipedia was disallowed as a source because it was not reliable. So I had to resort to encyclopedias and other books to find what I needed for my assignments.

@Uraniumfish: I tested out to get my graduate degree. I used the CLEP system to do it.

@hhusted That's everyone's point exactly. What do you mean you tested out to get a graduate degree? The CLEP system only lets you test out of certain classes; it doesn't get you an entire degree. I don't understand.